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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 5:34 pm 
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I need your opinion, please.
What we have: hen who was kind of eating in the morning, but her droppings were whitish cloudy liquid with no dark or creamy white - like a puddle. She was sitting in the same location, wouldn't move much. When she flies, she can't properly land.
I took her to the vet, during the very long trip she sat on the seed bowl and tried to eat, but on the way back she was just lethargic with her eyes almost closed (well, the trip was long and difficult plus we stayed at the vet a long time).
During the trip and while she was there, she passed some droppings that now had a thin green coil but the vet still said they didn't look normal.
When I brought her home, she was sitting on the perch for hours closing her eyes from time and time, and didn't eat even though I hang up millet right where she was. She had couple of same type droppings. Plus she had couple of small BLACK droppings. Then I saw her cleaning herself which made me glad - at least she was doing something except for sitting still. I fed her some warm formula (wrapped in towel), and she ate some but not a lot. NOw she is again sitting and not eating anything with her eyes closed.

I am suspecting a few things.
Still not ruling out egg problem.
Injury that leaves her in pain so she can't eat. WHY THE VET DIDN'T OFFER PAIN CONTROL? darn it, I didn't think to ask!!!
Internal digestive problems, like some kind of bacteria.

DO you think I need to start antibiotics???



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 Post subject: Re: Incident with Cuddles
PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 5:44 pm 
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ok, I got some answers. I found a soft shelled egg under where she sat. I am not doing antibiotics, correct?
I will be reading about this problem... Calcium deficiency?
I am glad I found the egg! I hope she would improve tomorrow, right?



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 5:58 pm 
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Probably a calcium deficiency. See if you can find some liquid calcium with vitamin D in it at local stores, so you can start giving her some right away before it's time for her to lay another egg. The type that's made for birds is best, but many pet stores don't have it so you might not be able to find it anywhere but online. A type that's made for humans will do, just make sure that it doesn't have iron or zinc in it.

There are several different brands made for birds. This is the type I have: http://www.morningbirdproducts.com/prod ... mplus.html

Follow the directions carefully because it's possible to overdose. If you have to get a type that's made for humans it'll be hard to tell exactly what dose to use; but use the kind made for humans.

It's possible that all the trauma of the accident and the vet visit will put her off of egg laying. Let's hope so, but if she's determined to carry on she needs immediate help with the calcium. And most especially with the vitamin D; quite often a calcium deficiency occurs because there wasn't enough vitamin D, which is essential for calcium absorption.



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 Post subject: Re: Incident with Cuddles
PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:31 pm 
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thank you.
I always suspected that our extremely dark house is not good because they get no sun. I am getting depressed there but I can and I do go out. That's why I really wanted to make that deck (now I am determined about the porch) for them. I do have an avian light (does it help with vit D?) but I can't efficiently use it as they spend too much time out of cages up above where it's hard to use a light on them.
I will see if I can find liquid Calcium



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 8:51 pm 
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so, should we blame calcium deficiency for her inability to land properly when she flies? interestingly, she is sitting on the perch with no problems. Also I noticed that all other birds are standing on their legs (and you can see the gap between the surface they stand on and lower part of their body) while there is no gap for Cuddles (she drags her bottom over the surface). The vet said she is surprisingly fat after having so many chicks.
Here is her picture I took today after the vet visit. Would the lump in her rear part always indicate an egg?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 9:33 pm 
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Cuddles has a large egg bum. I would expect an egg from her soon.



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 9:45 pm 
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Cuddles has a large egg bum. I would expect an egg from her soon.
thanks, she already laid an egg but it was soft shelled - first time in her life. That was her problem for the last couple of days. I don't know if she returns to normal tomorrow. I hope so. Today watching her was really scary.

Back to calcium - she likes spinach. Can it be part of the problem?



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Chipper I don't want to alarm you but that behaviour was the same Trilly had both times when she had a problem passing the egg..
I must add that every time I brought her to the vet he was able to find the egg on her upper trait just inserting his finger, no x-rays were needed.
Only difference is that when she finally passed the egg it wasn't soft.
Do you have an avian vet closer to you? Four hours trips are stressful both for you and her.
Tielfan has already said all, no need to add anything to that.

Can you bring her outside in her cage to enjoy some natural light? While you're out too of course.

I hope she will go back to her normal self soon, big hugs to both!



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Chipper wrote:
so, should we blame calcium deficiency for her inability to land properly when she flies? interestingly, she is sitting on the perch with no problems. Also I noticed that all other birds are standing on their legs (and you can see the gap between the surface they stand on and lower part of their body) while there is no gap for Cuddles (she drags her bottom over the surface). The vet said she is surprisingly fat after having so many chicks.
Here is her picture I took today after the vet visit. Would the lump in her rear part always indicate an egg?
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After looking at the picture posted with this quote...I noticed the bottom feathers of her wing looked low like Peach's wing looked when she dislocated it. The symptoms are the same except for those about the egg. If you can lift and spread her wing a bit you could look to see if everything looks right. Probably your vet did that but just in case I wanted to mention it.



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It's possible that she might have a bruise or some other injury from the accident that is interfering with her ability to move. But it also looks like she's probably got another egg to lay. Try to get some liquid calcium into her ASAP. If she's already got another soft-shelled egg inside it's too late to improve the shell quality, but calcium helps in other ways too. It plays a role in muscle function, and sometimes when a hen can't lay an egg it's because she's so calcium-depleted that her muscles aren't working at full strength and she doesn't have the power to push the egg out. A drop of liquid calcium placed directly in the beak can improve muscle strength very quickly in these cases.



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