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 Post subject: My dream breeding pair!!
PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:26 pm 
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check out those amazing mutations i can get if Tommy and Cloudia breed one day.

Mother:Grey Split To Pied Whiteface
Father:Grey Split To Pied Whiteface {X1: Cinnamon Lutino Pearl}

male offspring:
3% Pied Whiteface Split To {X1: Cinnamon Lutino Pearl}
3% Pied Whiteface
3% Pied Split To {X1: Cinnamon Lutino Pearl}
3% Pied
6% Pied Split To Whiteface {X1: Cinnamon Lutino Pearl}
6% Pied Split To Whiteface
3% Whiteface Split To {X1: Cinnamon Lutino Pearl}
3% Whiteface
3% Grey Split To {X1: Cinnamon Lutino Pearl}
3% Grey
6% Grey Split To Whiteface {X1: Cinnamon Lutino Pearl}
6% Grey Split To Whiteface
6% Whiteface Split To Pied {X1: Cinnamon Lutino Pearl}
6% Whiteface Split To Pied
6% Grey Split To Pied {X1: Cinnamon Lutino Pearl}
6% Grey Split To Pied
12% Grey Split To Pied Whiteface {X1: Cinnamon Lutino Pearl}
12% Grey Split To Pied Whiteface

female offspring:
3% Pied Whiteface Cinnamon Lutino Pearl
3% Pied Whiteface
3% Pied Cinnamon Lutino Pearl
3% Pied
6% Pied Cinnamon Lutino Pearl Split To Whiteface
6% Pied Split To Whiteface
3% Whiteface Cinnamon Lutino Pearl
3% Whiteface
3% Cinnamon Lutino Pearl
3% Grey
6% Cinnamon Lutino Pearl Split To Whiteface
6% Grey Split To Whiteface
6% Whiteface Cinnamon Lutino Pearl Split To Pied
6% Whiteface Split To Pied
6% Cinnamon Lutino Pearl Split To Pied
6% Grey Split To Pied
12% Cinnamon Lutino Pearl Split To Pied Whiteface
12% Grey Split To Pied Whiteface

I know tommy is split to whiteface because he was born with pale yellow down. I won't breed them until i know they are bonded and old enough to breed. These are my favorite mutations. So exciting just pictures them.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:50 pm 
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You may have a WF one day. That's what you want right? I would love a yellowcheek.



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 Post subject: Re: My dream breeding pair!!
PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:07 pm 
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You'll be able to do more than that honey. When a male is split to multiple sex-linked mutations you can expect some crossovers, and the easy genetic calculator can't handle crossovers. But the more complicated calculator at http://www.gencalc.com/gen/eng_genc.php?sp=0Cock can. It's a pain in the butt to read and I'll prove it in a moment, but the bottom line is that you'll be able to get girl babies with zero to three sex-linked mutations - every possible combination involving lutino, cinnamon, and/or pearl. The probability of some combinations is higher than others.

Here are the results for your dream pair. 1.0 means male and 0.1 means female:

0.909% 1.0 natural ADM.pied blue(whiteface) /opaline(pearl)
1.818% 1.0 natural blue(whiteface) /opaline(pearl) ADM.pied
0.909% 1.0 natural blue(whiteface) /opaline(pearl)
1.818% 1.0 natural ADM.pied /opaline(pearl) blue(whiteface)
3.637% 1.0 natural /opaline(pearl) ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
1.818% 1.0 natural /opaline(pearl) blue(whiteface)
0.909% 1.0 natural ADM.pied /opaline(pearl)
1.818% 1.0 natural /opaline(pearl) ADM.pied
0.909% 1.0 natural /opaline(pearl)
2.121% 1.0 natural ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
4.243% 1.0 natural blue(whiteface) /ADM.pied
2.121% 1.0 natural blue(whiteface)
4.243% 1.0 natural ADM.pied /blue(whiteface)
8.487% 1.0 natural /ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
4.243% 1.0 natural /blue(whiteface)
2.121% 1.0 natural ADM.pied
4.243% 1.0 natural /ADM.pied
2.121% 1.0 natural
0.065% 1.0 natural ADM.pied blue(whiteface) /cinnamon
0.131% 1.0 natural blue(whiteface) /cinnamon ADM.pied
0.065% 1.0 natural blue(whiteface) /cinnamon
0.131% 1.0 natural ADM.pied /cinnamon blue(whiteface)
0.262% 1.0 natural /cinnamon ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
0.131% 1.0 natural /cinnamon blue(whiteface)
0.065% 1.0 natural ADM.pied /cinnamon
0.131% 1.0 natural /cinnamon ADM.pied
0.065% 1.0 natural /cinnamon
0.028% 1.0 natural ADM.pied blue(whiteface) /ino
0.056% 1.0 natural blue(whiteface) /ino ADM.pied
0.028% 1.0 natural blue(whiteface) /ino
0.056% 1.0 natural ADM.pied /ino blue(whiteface)
0.112% 1.0 natural /ino ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
0.056% 1.0 natural /ino blue(whiteface)
0.028% 1.0 natural ADM.pied /ino
0.056% 1.0 natural /ino ADM.pied
0.028% 1.0 natural /ino
0.028% 1.0 natural ADM.pied blue(whiteface) /opaline(pearl)-cinnamon
0.056% 1.0 natural blue(whiteface) /opaline(pearl)-cinnamon ADM.pied
0.028% 1.0 natural blue(whiteface) /opaline(pearl)-cinnamon
0.056% 1.0 natural ADM.pied /opaline(pearl)-cinnamon blue(whiteface)
0.112% 1.0 natural /opaline(pearl)-cinnamon ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
0.056% 1.0 natural /opaline(pearl)-cinnamon blue(whiteface)
0.028% 1.0 natural ADM.pied /opaline(pearl)-cinnamon
0.056% 1.0 natural /opaline(pearl)-cinnamon ADM.pied
0.028% 1.0 natural /opaline(pearl)-cinnamon
0.065% 1.0 natural ADM.pied blue(whiteface) /opaline(pearl)-ino
0.131% 1.0 natural blue(whiteface) /opaline(pearl)-ino ADM.pied
0.065% 1.0 natural blue(whiteface) /opaline(pearl)-ino
0.131% 1.0 natural ADM.pied /opaline(pearl)-ino blue(whiteface)
0.262% 1.0 natural /opaline(pearl)-ino ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
0.131% 1.0 natural /opaline(pearl)-ino blue(whiteface)
0.065% 1.0 natural ADM.pied /opaline(pearl)-ino
0.131% 1.0 natural /opaline(pearl)-ino ADM.pied
0.065% 1.0 natural /opaline(pearl)-ino
0.909% 1.0 natural ADM.pied blue(whiteface) /ino-cinnamon
1.818% 1.0 natural blue(whiteface) /ino-cinnamon ADM.pied
0.909% 1.0 natural blue(whiteface) /ino-cinnamon
1.818% 1.0 natural ADM.pied /ino-cinnamon blue(whiteface)
3.637% 1.0 natural /ino-cinnamon ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
1.818% 1.0 natural /ino-cinnamon blue(whiteface)
0.909% 1.0 natural ADM.pied /ino-cinnamon
1.818% 1.0 natural /ino-cinnamon ADM.pied
0.909% 1.0 natural /ino-cinnamon
2.121% 1.0 natural ADM.pied blue(whiteface) /opaline(pearl)-ino-cinnamon
4.243% 1.0 natural blue(whiteface) /opaline(pearl)-ino-cinnamon ADM.pied
2.121% 1.0 natural blue(whiteface) /opaline(pearl)-ino-cinnamon
4.243% 1.0 natural ADM.pied /opaline(pearl)-ino-cinnamon blue(whiteface)
8.487% 1.0 natural /opaline(pearl)-ino-cinnamon ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
4.243% 1.0 natural /opaline(pearl)-ino-cinnamon blue(whiteface)
2.121% 1.0 natural ADM.pied /opaline(pearl)-ino-cinnamon
4.243% 1.0 natural /opaline(pearl)-ino-cinnamon ADM.pied
2.121% 1.0 natural /opaline(pearl)-ino-cinnamon

% from all 0.1
0.909% 0.1 natural opaline(pearl) ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
1.818% 0.1 natural opaline(pearl) blue(whiteface) /ADM.pied
0.909% 0.1 natural opaline(pearl) blue(whiteface)
1.818% 0.1 natural opaline(pearl) ADM.pied /blue(whiteface)
3.637% 0.1 natural opaline(pearl) /ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
1.818% 0.1 natural opaline(pearl) /blue(whiteface)
0.909% 0.1 natural opaline(pearl) ADM.pied
1.818% 0.1 natural opaline(pearl) /ADM.pied
0.909% 0.1 natural opaline(pearl)
2.121% 0.1 opaline(pearl) ino cinnamon ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
4.243% 0.1 opaline(pearl) ino cinnamon blue(whiteface) /ADM.pied
2.121% 0.1 opaline(pearl) ino cinnamon blue(whiteface)
4.243% 0.1 opaline(pearl) ino cinnamon ADM.pied /blue(whiteface)
8.487% 0.1 opaline(pearl) ino cinnamon /ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
4.243% 0.1 opaline(pearl) ino cinnamon /blue(whiteface)
2.121% 0.1 opaline(pearl) ino cinnamon ADM.pied
4.243% 0.1 opaline(pearl) ino cinnamon /ADM.pied
2.121% 0.1 opaline(pearl) ino cinnamon
0.028% 0.1 natural opaline(pearl) cinnamon ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
0.056% 0.1 natural opaline(pearl) cinnamon blue(whiteface) /ADM.pied
0.028% 0.1 natural opaline(pearl) cinnamon blue(whiteface)
0.056% 0.1 natural opaline(pearl) cinnamon ADM.pied /blue(whiteface)
0.112% 0.1 natural opaline(pearl) cinnamon /ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
0.056% 0.1 natural opaline(pearl) cinnamon /blue(whiteface)
0.028% 0.1 natural opaline(pearl) cinnamon ADM.pied
0.056% 0.1 natural opaline(pearl) cinnamon /ADM.pied
0.028% 0.1 natural opaline(pearl) cinnamon
0.065% 0.1 natural cinnamon ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
0.131% 0.1 natural cinnamon blue(whiteface) /ADM.pied
0.065% 0.1 natural cinnamon blue(whiteface)
0.131% 0.1 natural cinnamon ADM.pied /blue(whiteface)
0.262% 0.1 natural cinnamon /ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
0.131% 0.1 natural cinnamon /blue(whiteface)
0.065% 0.1 natural cinnamon ADM.pied
0.131% 0.1 natural cinnamon /ADM.pied
0.065% 0.1 natural cinnamon
0.065% 0.1 opaline(pearl) ino ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
0.131% 0.1 opaline(pearl) ino blue(whiteface) /ADM.pied
0.065% 0.1 opaline(pearl) ino blue(whiteface)
0.131% 0.1 opaline(pearl) ino ADM.pied /blue(whiteface)
0.262% 0.1 opaline(pearl) ino /ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
0.131% 0.1 opaline(pearl) ino /blue(whiteface)
0.065% 0.1 opaline(pearl) ino ADM.pied
0.131% 0.1 opaline(pearl) ino /ADM.pied
0.065% 0.1 opaline(pearl) ino
0.909% 0.1 ino cinnamon ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
1.818% 0.1 ino cinnamon blue(whiteface) /ADM.pied
0.909% 0.1 ino cinnamon blue(whiteface)
1.818% 0.1 ino cinnamon ADM.pied /blue(whiteface)
3.637% 0.1 ino cinnamon /ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
1.818% 0.1 ino cinnamon /blue(whiteface)
0.909% 0.1 ino cinnamon ADM.pied
1.818% 0.1 ino cinnamon /ADM.pied
0.909% 0.1 ino cinnamon
0.028% 0.1 ino ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
0.056% 0.1 ino blue(whiteface) /ADM.pied
0.028% 0.1 ino blue(whiteface)
0.056% 0.1 ino ADM.pied /blue(whiteface)
0.112% 0.1 ino /ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
0.056% 0.1 ino /blue(whiteface)
0.028% 0.1 ino ADM.pied
0.056% 0.1 ino /ADM.pied
0.028% 0.1 ino
2.121% 0.1 natural ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
4.243% 0.1 natural blue(whiteface) /ADM.pied
2.121% 0.1 natural blue(whiteface)
4.243% 0.1 natural ADM.pied /blue(whiteface)
8.487% 0.1 natural /ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
4.243% 0.1 natural /blue(whiteface)
2.121% 0.1 natural ADM.pied
4.243% 0.1 natural /ADM.pied
2.121% 0.1 natural



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 Post subject: Re: My dream breeding pair!!
PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:08 pm 
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Yes. I would love a whiteface male that will look exactly like Beaker. I also love pieds, preferably a heavy pied. Or better yet, a whiteface pied pearl! There are so many beautiful combinations. I only got normal greys and lutinos. I would love a totally different mutation. Yellow cheeks are outstanding! I never saw one in real life, they aren't common here.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:10 pm 
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Wow! Thanks Carolyn. I think my eyeballs bled a little just looking at it lol. But i get the point that there are much more than the simple calculator.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:22 pm 
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Yellow cheeks aren't common anywhere, but pastelface is becoming more common.

Translating that massive column of numbers into English and considering visual mutations only, it looks like your male babies would be:
6.25% whiteface pied
18.75% whiteface
18.75 percent pied
50% grey

The girls are harder. I'll get to them in a moment.



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:25 pm 
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Thank you so much!!


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:00 pm 
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Here are the girls. It's doesn't quite add up to 100% (it's off by 0.039) which might be rounding error or might be a small typo.

WF pied 2.121%
Whiteface 6.364%
Pied 6.364%
Grey 19.094%
WF pearl pied 0.909%
WF pearl 2.727%
Pearl pied 2.727%
Pearl 8.182%
WF cinn lutino pearl pied 2.121%
WF cinn lutino pearl 6.364%
Cinn lutino pearl pied 6.364%
Cinn lutino pearl 19.094%
WF cinn pearl pied 0.084%
WF cinn pearl .028%
Cinn pearl pied 0.084%
Cinn pearl 0.252%
WF cinn pied 0.065%
WF cinn 0.196%
Cinn pied 0.196%
Cinnamon 0.589%
WF lutino pearl pied 0.065%
WF lutino pearl 0.196%
Lutino pearl pied 0.196%
Lutino pearl 0.327%
WF cinn lutino pied 0.909%
WF cinn lutino 2.727%
Cinn lutino pied 2.727%
Cinn lutino 8.182%
WF lutino pied 0.028%
WF lutino 0.084%
Lutino pied 0.084%
Lutino 0.589%

That would make life interesting now wouldn't it? Tell Cloudia that she really needs to pair up with one of your boys.



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:12 pm 
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omg i can get whiteface lutinos?!? Thats awesome! :D

I will definitely tell Cloudia. Tommy is so irresistible. I bet once he gets older, she will fall in love with him. I want them to be my main breeding pair, like your Shodu and Buster.


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One out of every 8 girl babies is expected to be a whiteface lutino (that's one out of every 16 chicks total). Most of them would have some other mutations too in addition to the WFL.



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