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 Post subject: Interspecies Romance
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:34 pm 
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Since I have been allowing the two budgies and two cockatiels unlimited time together, the romance between Piper (male budgie) and Emma (female cockatiel) has rekindled, and is now blazing along.

Tonight, Piper was feeding Emma on top of the large cage. Winter (the female budgie) tried to enter the space, and Piper chased her off.

Because I had Piper and Emma separated for more than a year, and had provided an appropriate mate for each of them, I thought Piper might forgot about Emma. Not a bit.

Maybe I will get some budgietiels.



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 Post subject: Re: Interspecies Romance
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:01 pm 
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I don't know about budgies, but cockatiels tend to be VERY faithful to their preferred mate. Even if that mate is completely inappropriate or has no interest in them.



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 Post subject: Re: Interspecies Romance
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:03 pm 
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Not a good thing for a tiel and budgies to breed...
Just my opinion



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 Post subject: Re: Interspecies Romance
PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:11 am 
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I was kidding about budgietiels. I don't think they can produce futile eggs.

But, if they did, maybe it would make me rich and famous.

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 Post subject: Re: Interspecies Romance
PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:39 am 
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You'd be famous all right, but it's not going to happen. Cockatiels and budgies are too far apart on the parrot family tree for it to be possible. Budgies are actually more closely related to lovebirds (an African species) than they are to cockatiels. But the lovebirds are also too distantly related to breed successfully with budgies. Tiels are part of the cockatoo family, which split off from the other parrots a long long time ago.

There's a parrot family tree here for anyone who's interested: http://jboyd.net/Taxo/List12.html
You have to scroll down to Psittaciformes, then click on the chart to get the bigger version. Unfortunately it uses only the Latin name not the common name, so you have to know the scientific name of the species you're looking for. Most of the tree for the Psittaculidae (which budgies belong to) is on the second page of the chart.

Cockatiels are under Cacatuidae-Nymphicus. Budgies are under Psittaculidae-Psittaculinae-Loriini-Melopsittacus. They're fairly closely related to the lories, which surprised me. Lovebirds are under Psittaculidae-Psittaculinae-Agapornithini-Agapornis.



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Thanks interesting read....



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 5:02 pm 
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I was going to ask how far up the chart you could go before you can no longer crossbreed.

But I'm not going to bother as I'm lost in translation (I can't figure out the latin names on the chart) :bang:



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Species from the same genus can usually interbreed. Sometimes species from two closely related genuses (geni?) can breed. When you get further up the tree than that, there's a lot less chance that it could work. There are quite a few hybrids between different macaw species. There are also a lot of hybrids between different conure species.

Cockatiels are the only species in their genus, which is Nymphicus. A cockatiel has successfully produced babies with a galah, which is a cockatoo from the genus Eolophus. There are other cockatoo species that can breed with each other, but I don't know whether all of them could do it. They probably couldn't breed with a bird that wasn't a cockatoo. According to this link, there have been some hybrids between galahs and other cockatoo species that occurred in the wild: https://zoologica.wordpress.com/tag/hybrid-cockatoos/

Budgies are also the only species in their genus, which is Melopsittacus. There are some old claims about budgies producing young with lovebirds and canaries, but the claims haven't been verified and aren't believable. As far as I know, there are no verified cases of a budgie hybridizing with anything.



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 Post subject: Re: Interspecies Romance
PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:34 am 
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So interesting!
Piper clearly has lots of love for Emma. It's touching. She bows her head and he preens her.



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:32 pm 
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tielfan wrote:
Budgies are also the only species in their genus, which is Melopsittacus. There are some old claims about budgies producing young with lovebirds and canaries, but the claims haven't been verified and aren't believable. As far as I know, there are no verified cases of a budgie hybridizing with anything.


Canaries? Really? I can't believe that! I'm curious how one would look but not curious enough to put a hen and cock together... I have no interest in putting little flying monsters on the world.

EDIT: I read somewhere you can crossbreed Cockatiels with Blue-Winged Parrots. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue-winged_parrot I've been looking to find some examples, but can't come up with any.



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