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 Post subject: I need some advice... please :-)
PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:47 am 
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Hi everybody!
I am a new member here and I am looking forward to get to know you.
I have a question considering mutations.
I have a few WFL males and I am going to buy some girls for them. What mutation should I buy when I want to get White Faced Pearl Pied or White Faced Pied?
I am starting to learn genetics, but this one I can't figure out.
My WFL are solid WFL. No Splits at all.
I would be grateful for any advice you can give.

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 Post subject: Re: I need some advice... please :-)
PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:27 pm 
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Welcome to the forums!

I can't help out, allas... I can guess, but I'm no specialist, you'd better hang around till Tielfan answeres here...

My guess is you'll only get Whitefaces split to pearl and pied... if you pair up with a whiteface pearl or a whiteface pied female... But I'm not sure. I'm just guessing... I get lost in the genepool rather quickly...



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:52 pm 
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It looks like many of your birds have a brownish tint on the wings and tail. If this is true, and not just something caused by the lighting, then they are cinnamon whiteface lutino. When cinnamon and lutino are combined, a little bit of the color comes back.

Are you sure that they don't have any splits? Whiteface lutino covers up almost all other mutations, so if they had the right genes you could be getting visual pearls and pieds right now, and you wouldn't know it because you couldn't see it.

All of the daughters of a lutino male will be visual lutino. All the sons will get the gene from him too, but if the mother is not visual lutino then the boys will only be split to lutino. If the mother IS visual lutino then all the babies will be lutino. If you pair a WFL male with a hen who is split whiteface, half the chicks will be visual whiteface and half will be split. If the hen is visual whiteface then all the babies will be visual whiteface. I won't mention this again in this post, but keep it in mind while your read the rest.

This is going to be complicated! I'll do whiteface pied first and add pearl later. Whiteface and pied are autosomal (ordinary) mutations. The chick has to get the gene from both parents to be visual, so if it's true that your birds have no splits then you won't get any whiteface pied chicks in the first generation. But if you pair one of these WFL males with a pied hen, all their children will have the genes for both whiteface and pied. They will definitely get the whiteface gene from dad and the pied gene from mom. Put these children with a mate who also has both genes and you will get whiteface pied chicks.

Pearl is a sex-linked mutation. It's required for the male to have the gene to get any pearl babies at all. If he has the gene and the mother is not pearl, you will get some pearl girls but no pearl boys. If dad has the gene and mom is visual pearl, you will get pearl chicks of both sexes.

If you put one of your WFL males with a pearl pied hen, all the babies will get the whiteface gene from him and the pied gene from her. The girls will be lutino of course and will not have the pearl gene at all. The boys will get the lutino gene from dad and the pearl gene from mom.

So in this case the boys will have all the genes you want - whiteface, pied, and pearl, and also lutino. Put them with a hen who has the genes for whiteface and pied, and you will get whiteface pied chicks with some pearl girls. Put them with a pearl hen who also has the genes for whiteface and pied, and you will get whiteface pearl pied chicks of both sexes.

Do you know about the online genetic calculators? They're very useful for conducting experiments to find out what you can get from different combinations. http://www.littlefeatheredbuddies.com/i ... ncalc.html



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:01 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:49 am 
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Caro got my head spinning again (and no, not in the good way :bigsmile100: ) But looks like I got it right! You'd only get splits!! I just gave myself a free pass to next class in genetics! :dance: :cheery:



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I got lost on the way.....
Back to beginner's class :o



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