Now Beck and Poppy are sick! It has to be Poppy. I can't take this. ALL of my boys have been sick. And the budgies are so tiny, I don't know if they will be able to fight it like the tiels. I don't understand how all this is happening at once. Poppy looks like Jaid did when I first noticed he was sick, and Beck is starting to look that way. They're eating quick then not eating as much. This stupid AGY. It's killing us all.

Oh no! Stupid AGY!

I have faith that they will make it. Are you going to give them the medication?

Oh, I'm so sorry Stephanie!

This is devastating, I am so sorry!
But you are such a good nurse, I am sure that if someone can be able to save them, that's you.

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Do you have enough of the medicine to take care of the budgies and finish out the cockatiels too? Officially you should go to the vet for a diagnosis, but I think it's pretty safe to assume that it's the same problem. But if you don't have enough medicine and the vet won't renew the prescription without an office visit, you might have to go in.

Be strong and stay hopeful! I don't think physical size has anything to do with a bird's basic health and ability to fight infection. With dogs, small dogs live longer than big dogs do. At least this time around you know what the problem is, and can start treating it a lot faster than you could with Beaker and Jaid. So hopefully the budgies will never go downhill as far as the cockatiels did, and will snap back faster.

It's logical to think that Poppy was the source since the problem started shortly after you got him. But it took him an awfully long time to get sick if that's the case, so maybe not. Maybe you should talk to Poppy's breeder to see if they're having any problems. I'm not sure where else it could have come from, but wild birds can have it so theoretically it's possible for someone to track it in from outside without knowing it.

AGY tends to recur, so I'd suggest using some of the yeast-discouraging home remedies from time to time to help keep everybody in good shape once the crisis is over.

Thank you.

I hardly have anything. I'm giving them a little bit of thyme and Nutriberries for nutrition along with their vegetables. They also have a little bit of egg. I started to re-read the AGY articles again and re-found this:

"In many birds, the disease appears in a chronic course without any symptoms interrupted by acute episodes from time to time. Therefore an ill bird can be misjudged and considered to be healthy during the period without any symptoms. A bird who seems to be healthy and who had just became a new flock member can introduce and spread the disease. In the worst case, the whole flock can become infected without showing any symptoms for several weeks or months. That's the reason why this disease is so malicious."

Found here: http://www.birds-online.de/gesundheit/g ... gls_en.htm

Best to give your vet a phone call. Hopefully she'll be willing to write a prescription without seeing the birds, and hopefully you can afford it. If you can get everyone healthy and then give them a bit of preventive treatment once or twice a week, hopefully you'll never have to deal with this again.

This is happening right before the weekend so the timing is bad. If the vet is open at all on Saturday you can talk to them in the morning. But if that isn't possible, I think that if I were in your position I'd try some caprylic acid. You can buy it at vitamin shops and it looks like the price is usually less than $10 for a bottle of it. I don't know whether it's specifically effective against AGY, but unlike some "alt med" cures it's been scientifically proven to be effective against quite a range of nasty microorganisms. I don't know what the dosage would be but I can ask Susanne if you want to try it. http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=a6B ... 1IIz1c3NWQ

Oh, sorry, Stephanie. Hugs. Healing thoughts.
Hugs. Healing thoughts. Hugs. Healing thoughts. Hugs. Healing thoughts. Hugs. Healing thoughts.

I was reading about AGY and the time difference and I remember reading that the carrier may not feel effects until quite some time. But it still can be passed through the air or by coming in contact with something from the carrier, like saliva or poop and hit another bird who happened to be there to receive it. It can skip around and effect maybe 2 or 3 birds from the flock, then a little later, 2 or 3 more, then 2 or 3 more. It isn't like a flu in people, where it knocks everybody down at once, it can skip around and hit at different times. I forget where I read that.

I haven't looked at the information lately, but it's my understanding that a lot of birds just simply carry it without being affected, and problems come and go with others. I wonder if it's one of those microorganisms that are always in the body, and only become a problem when something throws the balance out of whack.

Hopefully you'll be able to get the balance back "in whack" for the budgies without as much trouble and fear as you had with the cockatiels. It's probably going to take some permanent vigilance to keep it under control since it's hard to eliminate it completely but hopefully that won't be too difficult. When the birds are healthy, a little bit of thyme, cayenne pepper, and vinegar or lemon once or twice a week, followed up with a little yogurt or other probiotics, would probably go a long way toward keeping the nasty stuff under control.